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fourier
2006-09-07, 01:32 AM
This looks like a browser with potential.

I would buy Omniweb if it included the following:


Replace the ugly and usability ridden tab drawer with a sidebar ala iTunes and similar applications.

Option to place the tabs across the top or bottom

Options to view the bookmarks or history in the sidebar

Forrest
2006-09-07, 07:37 AM
Replace the [] usability ridden tab drawer

Yeah, that usability really needs to go away ;)

Len Case
2006-09-07, 09:48 AM
You know--we had bookmarks and history in a "sidebar" (drawer) back in OmniWeb 4. When Safari introduced the bookmarks taking over the window we got a lot of requests to do it that way.

Funny how that works...

jphaag
2006-09-08, 12:01 AM
I seem to be the only one, but I really, really like the tab drawer the way it is and prefer it much over a sidebar. And Ive paid already ;-).

Handycam
2006-09-08, 08:00 AM
I seem to be the only one, but I really, really like the tab drawer the way it is and prefer it much over a sidebar. And Ive paid already ;-).

I prefer the drawer as well.

pjb
2006-09-08, 08:30 AM
the drawer, that is. I dislike the all-in-one interface especially for apps where the sidebar contents may not need to be visible almost all the time (like Mail). In fact, I often wish the drawer was detachable and independently resizable, but that has disadvantages discussed at length previously.

However, working on a small laptop, I can see the value in being able to view some wide pages in windows with the tab drawer on the bottom (or top where it would be closer to the drawer open/close button) as a customizable save-with-workspace option.

Another thing I dislike are threatening consumers, but maybe that's just me.

Josue Salazar
2006-09-08, 08:39 AM
I agree with pjb about the threatening customers.

Oh and I like the drawer, it works just fine.

Forrest
2006-09-08, 08:53 AM
As long as the side bar:
- hides and shows like the drawer currently does
- doesn't change the page content at all when it does
- can be set to display on the left or right side
- is resizable like the drawer is

I'd be fine with it.

philonous
2006-09-08, 12:38 PM
I agree with pjb about the threatening customers.

Oh and I like the drawer, it works just fine.

I am baffled by threatening consumers. For one thing, OG makes it living off many applications. OW is probably the smallest piece of the pie. So, I'm not sure if losing OW would threaten OG. At least, I have spent a hell of a lot more money on other OG software than I have on OW.

As for sidebar vs. drawer, I am just no so sure anymore. Any feature implemented well would be nice, really. This was never the make or break feature for me in OW. I like many other things about OW. The customizable search bar is actually the make or break feature. I use a lot of search engines, and having ANY engine I want readily accessible is simply the ultimate in convenience.

I'm sure I will start liking some other feature soon...

fourier
2006-09-08, 09:10 PM
Ok. The previous 'sustainable' comment was probably not appropriate.

However:
- OS X drawers are used infrequently (if at all), in leading OS X applications (Apple or third party).
- Drawers decrease the visual appeal of the application (well documented)

Recent article on OS X drawers:

http://www.mcelhearn.com/article.php?story=20041116135640496

Of course, aesthetics have not part to play in an OS X application:

http://phillryu.com/2006/07/03/the-top-ten-most-beautiful-os-x-apps/

Also, the development effort to provide flexibilty in how multiple browser pages are managed (tabs as: text. thumbnail; location: sidebar, top, bottom) is minimal.

Forrest
2006-09-08, 09:56 PM
OS X drawers are used infrequently (if at all), in leading OS X applications (Apple or third party).
Drawers decrease the visual appeal of the application (well documented)

Recent article on OS X drawers:

http://www.mcelhearn.com/article.php?story=20041116135640496

The first issue they bring up, the window size, is not a problem in OW. The second, the space atop the window, is subjective. I suggest if you are confused by the space, you've got other problems ;)

Additionally, the article cites an app that does it "almost right" and then goes on to describe nearly the same interaction that OW provides. (And I do not like how it only opens up on one side. I think choice is a good thing.)

Overall I find the article places a poor argument. Much of it is statements such as "It's a good idea gone bad" and really only places two arguments against it.

If you have similar articles, I would like to see them. I think the drawer could be made better, but I think a persistent, fixed column that is stuck on one side (ala iTunes) is not the solution.

myckmack
2006-09-09, 04:44 AM
I seem to be the only one, but I really, really like the tab drawer the way it is and prefer it much over a sidebar. And Ive paid already ;-).
I agree with you.

Drayon
2006-09-10, 07:25 PM
You know--we had bookmarks and history in a "sidebar" (drawer) back in OmniWeb 4. When Safari introduced the bookmarks taking over the window we got a lot of requests to do it that way.

Funny how that works...

That's because a little innovation can bring possibilities if BETTER ways of dealing with functions. In 2000 drawers were the rage, well now some cooler more useful ideas have surfaced, what do you do stick with the old retarded way or upgrade to the new an more useful way? Im sure i agree that ppl dont' just change their minds for the sake of popularity in some cases.

I just view the Drawer Tab idea was bogus idea 5 years after everyone in the community decided drawers were NOT the once fantastic application design ;-) Funny how innovation evolves eh ;-)

gumby
2006-09-11, 10:14 AM
I guess we can all flame until the cows come home about UI features. But my (limited) understanding from my usability buddies is that the drawer is better for "not center of the task" information BUT the "unified look" was likely added to try to tie everything to iTunes (where the look makes sense).

Disclaimers: none of these (half a dozen) folks have worked for apple since the early 90s if at all, they're just usability folks. And of course they're thinking of actual usability, not the "ooh shiny" factor.

In any case I like it the way it is but as we all know Your Milage Apparently Varies. There are a number of tab drawer UI features that are essentially impossible with the old "list across the top" format. If you don't need that then it's all just a taste issue.

Morto
2006-09-23, 08:38 AM
Replace the ugly and usability ridden tab drawer with a sidebar ala iTunes and similar applications.
Option to place the tabs across the top or bottom
Options to view the bookmarks or history in the sidebar


I don't think I can agree with you on your first point. The tab drawer is kind of a selling feature for me. In fact, when I am showing OW to friends the tab drawer is the one thing where they all stop and say 'Oh that _is_ better than {their browser}'. Replacing it with a sidebar seems like a solution in search of a problem. Sidebars are really a lot like drawers that you can't close, and if you really want the text list instead of the thumbnail you can already do that with the button at the top of the tab drawer.

As far as an option to have a Safari style tab bar across the top of the screen, I'm all for options, but I wouldn't use it personally. Firefox / Safari style tabs drive me crazy, especially when you have lots of them. The current OW tab implementation is one of those things that keeps me using it.

As for an option to view the history or bookmarks in a sidebar / drawer, I'm not really partial one way or the other. I remember how OW did it in version 4, and don't have any particular urge to have it like that again. Again, options are good, but I think I would just end up using the default option in any case, since I view/organize bookmarks/history so infrequently.