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Cortig
2006-05-05, 08:38 AM
Hi All,

I had one little suggestion for future versions of OmniWeb: Growl notification support...
I love Growl (http://growl.info/). OW could use it to display new posts on RSS feeds and to notify of successful downloads. To make it less obstructive, it could be used only when OW is on the background. In any case, I'd love to get Growl support in OW...

NickM
2006-05-06, 07:07 PM
One thing I requested for Omniweb ages ago was to display in the dock an animated icon showing when downloads were in progress; I don't download things too frequently, so when I have a long download I could just monitor the dock rather than having to switch windows all the time.

Anyway, if growl notification were added, a "downloads complete" notification would be awesome!

Forrest
2006-05-06, 07:39 PM
I like the idea of a download progress bar. Something like photoshop's progress bar on the dock icon.

<mini rant>On a side note, I'm curious what others think about Growl. A while back someone had me try it out and said it was really cool and useful. I tried it and found it absolutely horrible. I was just reading through their site and some of the claims they make seem like bigger exaggerations than any politician has ever made. I've seen viruses on Windows that I would rather have.</mini rant>

afb
2006-05-07, 08:51 PM
I like the idea of a download progress bar. Something like photoshop's progress bar on the dock icon.

That'd be neat, although it might get complicated with with lots of downloads. That's why Growl seems like a good idea ...

<mini rant>On a side note, I'm curious what others think about Growl. A while back someone had me try it out and said it was really cool and useful. I tried it and found it absolutely horrible. I was just reading through their site and some of the claims they make seem like bigger exaggerations than any politician has ever made. I've seen viruses on Windows that I would rather have.</mini rant>

I think I've had Growl installed for quite some time, and I don't remember it been quite that horrible, but, then again, I never used it for much until recently. It's clearly still in development but does work. One of the biggest problems is less than stellar implementation of Growl in particular apps. It's a neat idea, and I think it's the kind of thing that Apple should be working on instead of things like iPhoto (not to incite any flames here, just to say that I wish they were developing the OS more rather than adding apps; I've never used iPhoto, simply commenting on what sorts of software should be part of the OS; then again, there are apps like Keynote, which I've started to use, that are much more pleasant to use than the M$ alternative).

There are uses for it that don't seem like good ideas to me (like RSS notifications—I'd hate to see fifty or a hundred little Growl windows line up every hour when NNW updates). But for little things like finished downloads or errors in programs in the background it works well. Instead of an app hopping in the dock asking for attention for a notification window, Growl just shows it and removes it, a window that you don't need to touch for it to disappear. (Incidentally, I nostalgically remember that After Dark would run notifications along the menubar while screensavers were on.)

Growl's also scriptable. So I've used it for a couple of scripts with LaunchBar and OnMyCommand for things like dictionary lookups or MD5 hashes.

DaphneDiane
2006-05-07, 08:55 PM
On a side note, I'm curious what others think about Growl.

I find it useful myself, though I can definitely see how it could be annoying. I do like the fact that you can turn off/customize notifications on an application basis. Growl reminds me of Zephyr (part of the Athena projects from MIT). We used to use Zephyr at work to send notices such as when printouts were ready for pickup etc.

Forrest
2006-05-07, 08:59 PM
One of the things I used it for was an IM app I was trying out. I just wanted the dock icon to highlight when I had a message. This app couldn't do that, but the dev said to install growl and that would do it.

Well, maybe it was the IM app's implementation, but getting a notification about something about ever 10 seconds is completely absurd. Although Growl makes the completely far from reality claim that it offers "complete control over which notifications are shown and how they are displayed" I found its control extremely limited and made the IM app completely useless.

Ack, I'm getting started again...

afb
2006-05-07, 09:11 PM
I'm guessing you were not using Adium, which is what I use for IM, since it does change the dock icon for new messages and is a rather good app all around. It also though has an overkill Growl implementation, but at least it gives you the choice. I don't know think it has the option, but Colloquy (an IRC client based on the excellent irssi) has options to display Growl windows only if it's not in front, which alleviates the matter.

In short, Growl itself doesn't really do much; it's up to the app to make good or bad use of it.

DaphneDiane
2006-05-07, 09:20 PM
Aye, the biggest downside with growl is it's customization depends a lot on the design of the applications using it. It has no true filtering of it's own from what I've seen, it depends on the applications breaking down messages into their own categories and their decisions on what to send messages for.

From one end: An IM client that sends a growl notifications all in the same category and sent one everytime someone typed a key at the far end would be scary in growl. On the other end an IM client that let you set settings for notifications for each member of your friends list, or even only set one message for the first message received while it was in the background would be much more livable.

Forrest
2006-05-08, 08:13 AM
Actually it was Adium. I don't remember exactly why I didn't like the display and tried growl, but I think it may have been because the dock icon kept bouncing when there was a new message, or maybe it was that the number of new messages wasn't display.

I now use Proteus.

Ilgaz
2006-05-08, 08:29 AM
Some developers try to stay away from 3rd party frameworks closed or open source.

For example I suggested Growl support to iGetter guys, they said they don't want to depend on a 3rd party tool whether it is open or closed source.

It could be case with Omni group too.

I mean, if nobody from Omni replies, it must be the case :)

It can't be GPL reason (which stops closed source/commercial apps) as its covered by BSD license.

Forrest
2006-05-08, 08:45 AM
I mean, if nobody from Omni replies, it must be the case :)


I'm not sure if you're serious about that or not, so I'll respond as if you are.

The OG doesn't guarantee they'll read the entire forum. Actual bug reports, feature requests... although they can be discussed here, the official method of reporting them is to use the "send feedback..." option in the OW help menu. (Or us the omniweb5@ address [I think that's the address])

afb
2006-05-08, 09:28 AM
(Or us the omniweb5@ address [I think that's the address])

I think they'd rather not get SP email at that address. The 'Send Feedback' gives you an email that begins with "omniweb-5.5-beta" and then some sort of code based on your license (which seems odd since it's placed in the subject automatically). Best to go with 'send Feedback'.

And they do in fact respond to this feedback; they just say that support for nonbeta apps is more of a priority.

Forrest
2006-05-08, 09:44 AM
I think they'd rather not get SP email at that address. The 'Send Feedback' gives you an email that begins with "omniweb-5.5-beta" and then some sort of code based on your license (which seems odd since it's placed in the subject automatically). Best to go with 'send Feedback'.

I just checked, I gave the correct address.

And they do in fact respond to this feedback; they just say that support for nonbeta apps is more of a priority.

I never said nor implied they don't respond. I said the OG doesn't guarantee they'll read the entire forum. Whereas, they do say they read all email sent to omniweb5@.

Additionally, my statement was in response to a quote from a poster who was trying to imply meaning to a non-response.

afb
2006-05-08, 09:47 AM
Just trying to get the other member to send feedback ...

Len Case
2006-05-08, 11:04 PM
Both emails and forum posts are valuable feedback but as Forrest suggested, if you want to make sure the request is filed in the appropriate manner, email is the way to go.

I try to read all the forum posts, but I use it more as a gauge of how things are going and which of the known bugs/missing features are affecting people the most. I rarely enter a bug or a feature request from the forum (though I do think Troy does).

As far as Growl support goes, it seems unlikely in 5.5 since new features are on the bottom of the priority list but we might consider it for a future release. We are certainly not opposed to using 3rd party frameworks where it makes sense--for example, both OmniGraffle and OmniOutliner support LinkBack.

arglborps
2007-05-16, 08:10 PM
I find Growl indispensible when combined with the Hardware Growler.

That way it will immediately tell me when my network connection drops, a USB device gets connected or disconnected, my IP address changes, a drive has been mounted and so on.