OmniWeb's tab drawer doesn't remember the preferred side?
 

[QUOTE=marlwin;66765]This is my number one, the drawer is too hazardous[/QUOTE]
The drawer is too hazardous? Please explain...

I mean its behavior, the system make it goes left or right depending the space left (the preference to stick it to a specified side never really works)

What version are you running? I just spent a few minutes jamming windows against the edges of my screens and opening tabs, and was never able to get it to misbehave. If there wasn't room for the drawer, the window got shoved over enough to make room. I'm running 5.10.1, rev 118169. If you've got a reproducible case, I'm sure the support ninjas would be interested, use Help->Send Feedback to send them the details.

In any case, it sounds like you meant "haphazard" not "hazardous"...

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;66781]What version are you running? I just spent a few minutes jamming windows against the edges of my screens and opening tabs, and was never able to get it to misbehave. If there wasn't room for the drawer, the window got shoved over enough to make room. I'm running 5.10.1, rev 118169. If you've got a reproducible case, I'm sure the support ninjas would be interested, use Help->Send Feedback to send them the details.

In any case, it sounds like you meant "haphazard" not "hazardous"...[/QUOTE]

I think he means that whenever OW is quit then re-opened, the drawer automatically defaults to open on the right-hand side again, regardless of which side you have specified in the preferences. I believe I've heard that this is a global OSX option and is not definable at the app level between launches.

[QUOTE=sculwell;66783]I think he means that whenever OW is quit then re-opened, the drawer automatically defaults to open on the right-hand side again, regardless of which side you have specified in the preferences. I believe I've heard that this is a global OSX option and is not definable at the app level between launches.[/QUOTE]
It must be not as simple as that; I've got my drawer set to open on the left side, and when I quit OW and reopen it, I get a couple of dozen windows, all with drawers on the left...

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;66801]It must be not as simple as that; I've got my drawer set to open on the left side, and when I quit OW and reopen it, I get a couple of dozen windows, all with drawers on the left...[/QUOTE]

If you keep the drawer open between launches then yes, it will remain on the left side (or whichever side it was on when OW closed). However, if it has closed automatically (because all but one tab remains), it will default to the right side when OW is reopened again.

[QUOTE=sculwell;66828]If you keep the drawer open between launches then yes, it will remain on the left side (or whichever side it was on when OW closed). However, if it has closed automatically (because all but one tab remains), it will default to the right side when OW is reopened again.[/QUOTE]
Okay, I just went to another Mac, running 10.5.8, no saved workspace or anything like that. Opened up OmniWeb. Single window appears, I press the cmd-T key combo, a drawer opens on the left, just as it says in the preferences. I set the preference to say open the drawer on the right, close the newly created tab, the drawer closes. I quit OmniWeb and restart it. Again, a single window opens. I press the cmd-T key combo, the drawer opens on the right, just like it says in the preferences. I think the support ninjas will agree when I say that I frequently manage to get the software to misbehave, but I'm not seeing it here...is this something you can reproduce on demand, or just remember encountering with older versions of OmniWeb?

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;66833]Okay, I just went to another Mac, running 10.5.8, no saved workspace or anything like that. Opened up OmniWeb. Single window appears, I press the cmd-T key combo, a drawer opens on the left, just as it says in the preferences. I set the preference to say open the drawer on the right, close the newly created tab, the drawer closes. I quit OmniWeb and restart it. Again, a single window opens. I press the cmd-T key combo, the drawer opens on the right, just like it says in the preferences. I think the support ninjas will agree when I say that I frequently manage to get the software to misbehave, but I'm not seeing it here...is this something you can reproduce on demand, or just remember encountering with older versions of OmniWeb?[/QUOTE]

Try setting it to open on the left and not the right...open-right is default behavior. I just reproduced it using your exact instructions above, but set the preferences to have the drawer open on the left by default (instead of right default as you have explained above). I then closed down OmniWeb and reopened it with no tabs open; the drawer has now re-defaulted to open on the right-hand side again.

[QUOTE=sculwell;66836]Try setting it to open on the left and not the right...open-right is default behavior. I just reproduced it using your exact instructions above, but set the preferences to have the drawer open on the left by default (instead of right default as you have explained above). I then closed down OmniWeb and reopened it with no tabs open; the drawer has now re-defaulted to open on the right-hand side again.[/QUOTE]
Read my message again -- I started out with it set to open on the left. I just now went to a third computer and repeated the experiment. The tab drawer opens on whichever side the preferences request. I normally run with it set on open-left. Maybe the issue you are seeing is specific to your installation?

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;66833] I set the preference to say open the drawer on the right, close the newly created tab, the drawer closes.[/QUOTE]

All I am saying is that I can reproduce the original complaint (it has been a big one for me, too). When I set my preferences to say open the drawer on the LEFT, close the newly created tab, and reopen OW, the tab drawer will open on the RIGHT every single time, without fail. Maybe it is just my installation, but I have heard this complaint many times through this forum. I was just adding my name to the list of reproducers.

Then I think you agree with my original response to you, that the situation is not as straightforward as suggested, and if there is the purported Mac OS X default to open on the right, OmniWeb successfully overrides it for many users, as I doubt Omni would continue to ship a feature that doesn't work at all. Have you tried working the issue with the support ninjas?

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;66841]Then I think you agree with my original response to you, that the situation is not as straightforward as suggested, and if there is the purported Mac OS X default to open on the right, OmniWeb successfully overrides it for many users, as I doubt Omni would continue to ship a feature that doesn't work at all. Have you tried working the issue with the support ninjas?[/QUOTE]

I agree wholeheartedly that Omni wouldn't continue to ship a feature that doesn't work at all. If you have somehow overridden this default behavior, please tell me how you got this preference to stick because I would DESPERATELY like to keep mine opening on the left...I just haven't figured out how to keep it that way (short of leaving the drawer open all the time).

Way to hijack a useful thread...

[QUOTE=Handycam;66870]Way to hijack a useful thread...[/QUOTE]
Hey, if you read the very first post, you'll see that I was responsible for starting the thread! That said, I'd happily move the discussion of the drawer elsewhere, but don't have the means to move the sub-thread out of the thread. Maybe Brian will do so (and remove this post and yours) if you ask him nicely.

Thread split. (I'll let you guys decide if you want to edit your posts or not.)

[QUOTE=sculwell;66853]I agree wholeheartedly that Omni wouldn't continue to ship a feature that doesn't work at all. If you have somehow overridden this default behavior, please tell me how you got this preference to stick because I would DESPERATELY like to keep mine opening on the left...I just haven't figured out how to keep it that way (short of leaving the drawer open all the time).[/QUOTE]

If this is happening to you, it's definitely a bug!

Just to confirm: you're setting the "Tab drawer opens on the left" setting in Tab & Window Preferences, but when you open a new tab in a new window it opens on the right instead?

What do you see if you paste this command into Terminal?

[CODE]defaults read com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5 TabDrawerOnRight[/CODE]

Have you contacted our tech support ninjas at [email]omniweb5@omnigroup.com[/email]?

It only happens when I quit and then restart OmniWeb...if I have the drawer set to open on the left, close the drawer (because only one window is open), the quit and restart OmniWeb, the tab drawer automatically reverts to opening on the right.

[QUOTE=Ken Case;66879]

What do you see if you paste this command into Terminal?

[CODE]defaults read com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5 TabDrawerOnRight[/CODE]

Have you contacted our tech support ninjas at [email]omniweb5@omnigroup.com[/email]?[/QUOTE]

I get this:

[CODE]2009-09-14 21:02:36.804 defaults[5593:903]
The domain/default pair of (com.omnigroup.OmniWeb5, TabDrawerOnRight) does not exist[/CODE]

and no, I haven't contacted the ninjas, as I thought this was not an OW issue, but default behavior for all drawers. Email sent.

I can easily reproduce what sculwell said (hide the drawer, relaunch, show the drawer but it's at the right instead of left)

There is another thread close to the subject :
[url]http://forums.omnigroup.com/showthread.php?t=13763[/url]

And the answer from Troy
[QUOTE=troyb;66425]This can sometimes happen if you're window during launch is too close to the side of the window. The drawer will try to be smart and open on the oposite side of the window. Closing all your windows and then opening a new one should obey your preference setting.[/QUOTE]

As you can see there is a flaw in this. And there is another one if you make your window take all the screen width (without the drawer), then open the drawer, relaunch, close the drawer. What happen ? It doesn't come back in "full" width.

Man, my grammar and spelling could use some work in that quote.

I do believe that for the most part people are just running into limitations of how the drawers behave. That said, I encourage anyone struggling with any OmniWeb drawer behavior to send our ninjas mail.

I consider unreliable placement of your tabs to be a pretty serious flaw even if it is just expected behavior for a drawer.

[QUOTE=sculwell;66883]It only happens when I quit and then restart OmniWeb...if I have the drawer set to open on the left, close the drawer (because only one window is open), the quit and restart OmniWeb, the tab drawer automatically reverts to opening on the right.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I see now: it only happens when you load a browser window from a workspace, and only if the browser window is close enough to the edge of the screen that it doesn't have room for the drawer.

Fixed for the next release (presumably v5.10.2).