Am I doing something wrong? Workspaces
 

I've just downloaded this browser and the option to have workspaces really appealed to me. I tend to do my web browsing in blocks.

However after setting up many workspaces I've realised that if I close the browser while on that workspace it deletes it....is this supposed to happen? I wanted them to act like bookmark blocks so I could use bookmarks for the other bits and workspaces for regular use.

Thanks in advance.

Are you checking the "Auto-save while browsing" box at the bottom of the Workspaces window when you create a workspace whose contents you wish to retain? Workspaces where that is checked should be restored when you revisit them.

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;93279]Are you checking the "Auto-save while browsing" box at the bottom of the Workspaces window when you create a workspace whose contents you wish to retain? Workspaces where that is checked should be restored when you revisit them.[/QUOTE]

Yes this is checked. It does a pop up when I close the window saying do you want to close all tabs and of course at first I said yes as I figured they were saved anyway..

So you are closing the windows, not just switching to a different workspace? That's not the idea, unless you make a snapshot first.

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;93282]So you are closing the windows, not just switching to a different workspace? That's not the idea, unless you make a snapshot first.[/QUOTE]

I close the window when finished. I may move around workspaces while in OmniWeb but then when I'm finished I just close the window. Does this not keep the workspace?

I thought the idea of setting them up was so they are still there...taking a snapshot is an option I'll often forget.

Maybe I need to look at book marks more and see if I can get them to work for me, otherwise it's back to Safari and the visual aspect of Top Sites. :(

It sounds like you want to take a snapshot once in each workspace. That way, the next time you load it, it knows to return to the default configuration you set up.

You don't need to take a snapshot every time you use a workspace, just when there's some state you want to preserve your ability to come back to later.

The other alternative is to switch to another workspace with the windows you want to return to still open. OmniWeb is going to preserve the state you put that workspace into - including the state where all the windows have been closed. It's just putting things back the way it found them. :-)

Ahh, thank you!

Will try that in the morning. (I'm in the UK and it's the small hours now)

[QUOTE=Brian;93289]It sounds like you want to take a snapshot once in each workspace. That way, the next time you load it, it knows to return to the default configuration you set up. [/QUOTE]

This works and it doesn't. I still loose the workspace if I close the window while one is loaded. I can restore it afterwards using restore snapshot, but it's not ideal.

Is this something they may implement in the future do you think?

It sounds to me like you want the program to read your mind about whether you want a given window to come back later. If you don't want the window on your screen, but don't actually wish to discard it, why not just click the yellow button or press cmd-M to minimize it instead of clicking the red button or pressing cmd-W?

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;93375]It sounds to me like you want the program to read your mind about whether you want a given window to come back later. If you don't want the window on your screen, but don't actually wish to discard it, why not just click the yellow button or press cmd-M to minimize it instead of clicking the red button or pressing cmd-W?[/QUOTE]

No. I want a workspace that I create to stay that workspace, any additional browsing that adds on top to go when I close it down, but the orignal workspace I created (and snapshot) to remain.

If I open Omniweb and browse random sites, I'd expect that to disappear when I shut it down, if I create something and save it, I don't expect it to disappear.....

Can you be more specific about what you're seeing?

If you have a workspace with a snapshot saved, and all the windows are closed when OmniWeb shuts down, the app is going to automatically restore the workspace from the snapshot next time you load it.

Trying to help, but I'm not sure what "losing the workspace" means exactly.

A workspace can be in one of 4 states:

No snapshot, "Auto-save while browsing" setting disabled.
No snapshot, "Auto-save" enabled
Has snapshot, "Auto-save" disabled.
Has snapshot, "Auto-save" enabled.

Do any of those four states do what you're after? If not, what would need to be different? We don't know when we'll have time to work more on OmniWeb, but I can certainly write up a feature request for you. :-)

[QUOTE=Brian;93388]Can you be more specific about what you're seeing?

If you have a workspace with a snapshot saved, and all the windows are closed when OmniWeb shuts down, the app is going to automatically restore the workspace from the snapshot next time you load it.

Trying to help, but I'm not sure what "losing the workspace" means exactly.[/QUOTE]

I have 3 workshops set up:

1 - Browsing (with snapshot)
2 - Bill Paying (with snapshot)
3 - Default (no snapshot)

Default isn't a problem as I don't have anything saved in that, but if I'm on say browsing (like now) and I close the omniweb down. When I reopen and go to the browsing workspace - it's blank, until I say to restore snapshot workspace.

[QUOTE=4kidsat147;93281]Yes this is checked. It does a pop up when I close the window saying do you want to close all tabs and of course at first I said yes as I figured they were saved anyway..[/QUOTE]

No, that comes up because you are closing a window with multiple tabs, not because of any workspace options.

[QUOTE=4kidsat147;93404]Default isn't a problem as I don't have anything saved in that, but if I'm on say browsing (like now) and I close the omniweb down. When I reopen and go to the browsing workspace - it's blank, until I say to restore snapshot workspace.[/QUOTE]

Can you walk through it step-by-step, so I can try them here?

Which of the four states I mentioned above is the workspace in? What workspace are you in when you quit the browser? Browsing, or have you switched to a different ones? What windows, if any, are open (including in the dock) in Browsing when you switch away from it or quit the app?

[QUOTE=Brian;93447]Can you walk through it step-by-step, so I can try them here?

Which of the four states I mentioned above is the workspace in? What workspace are you in when you quit the browser? Browsing, or have you switched to a different ones? What windows, if any, are open (including in the dock) in Browsing when you switch away from it or quit the app?[/QUOTE]


The workspaces are in:

Snapshot Taken: Auto-Save while browsing. (both my F1 & F2 browsers)
NO Snapshot Taken, NO Auto-Save (F3 browser)

If I'm in any workstation and close down the browser I loose the status of it. (I expect it with the F3 browser, but not F1 & F2)

They remain if I'm moving between workspaces - that's not an issue.

You need to check the Auto-save button for each workspace that you want to remember your active browsing state. When you come back to that workspace after restarting OmniWeb, you'll get your windows as close to how they were as is possible (often including partially filling out forms). If you want to go back to the "clean" state, just click the restore snapshot button in the workspace window and the windows and tabs you've accumulated since taking the snapshot will be discarded.

Well, that's how it is supposed to work, and works for me. Re-reading your post, I see that you've got it set that way, I misread the first time.

How are you closing down the browser? And which version of OmniWeb are you running?

[QUOTE=whpalmer4;93456]How are you closing down the browser? And which version of OmniWeb are you running?[/QUOTE]

I close it down by the red x and I'm running the latest version (or at least I assume so as I've only had it for about 3 days)

What your saying makes sense to me, that's why it's not making sense that mine isn't doing that.

[QUOTE=4kidsat147;93460]I close it down by the red x and I'm running the latest version (or at least I assume so as I've only had it for about 3 days)
[/QUOTE]

What red x is that? The only red x I see is the toolbar button which stops loading the current page. Do you mean the red dot at the upper left of the window?

If you click the red dot, you are not closing the application, you are closing the window, just as if you had used the Window->Close Window menu command. OmniWeb remembers that you threw away that window and updates the workspace accordingly. If you instead quit OmniWeb (via cmd-Q or OmniWeb->Quit OmniWeb), your workspace state will be retained for next time. This gets back to my earlier comment about wanting OmniWeb to read your mind: how is the program to discern that you closed that window (with the click on the red dot) because you just didn't want it cluttering up your screen, and not that you closed that window because you don't ever want it again?

As for the version, standard Mac practice is there is an "About <XYZ>" command as the first item in the <XYZ> menu which will report the exact version you are running. While no updates have come out in the last few days, there is still the question of whether you are running the "production" version or the "sneaky peek" version, both of which are available to you, though I would expect you probably have the "production" version. It sounds like the problem is simply with how you are using the program, however, not that it is working other than as designed.

Sorry yes it was the red dot. (I've not had a Mac for long, brought up on PCs) I guess I'm just used to the way Firefox worked. The minimising clutters up my dock, and I thought with the 'light' still being underneath that the programme was still open. (like mail etc...)

I will correct my ways and use it as designed. :)

Thank you for your time and patience.

The program is still open unless you've done the quit command (or it has crashed). But if you click the red dot, you are discarding the window. Unlike with Windows, closing the last window from an application will not usually make it quit the application.

I don't use Firefox under Windows very much, but Firefox on the Mac seems to work the same way as OmniWeb with Auto-save turned on in the workspace (assuming you've clicked the "save my tabs on quit" checkbox in Firefox). I think the workspaces in OmniWeb are really a superb feature. Now if it could only automatically shepherd new tabs/windows off to the appropriate workspace!

If nothing else, we've put on a good demonstration of the importance of precise descriptions in tracking down problems :-)