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Originally Posted by whpalmer4 View Post
Well, OmniGraffle for iPad would be a disaster if it tried to have a UI that could be completely guessed from the desktop version.
But we're talking about OmniFocus, something that gets used way more frequently than OmniGraffle. I'm not sure why we shouldn't be able to carry our UI knowledge over from the Mac version; although interface elements should be a little bigger, there's no need to re-arrange stuff for the sake of it. What's the matter with having disclosure triangles on the left, as they always have been, and letting you drag and drop using them?

For the iPhone and iPad, Apple set up that list "Edit" paradigm where your flat list of contacts or playlist entries [or whatever] can be rearranged when you're in that special mode with the red delete buttons down the left and drag thumbs on the right. It works great, and is consistent across many iOS apps. But we're not dealing with a flat list in OF - we're dealing with a hierarchy, and the flat list UI stuff doesn't work here without ghastly workarounds. It's like Omni felt they had to try and use the flat list "Edit" paradigm just because it's an iOS app, when it doesn't suit the task.

The awful workaround (to not having a custom drag and drop hierarchical list UI class) is summed up in the dreadful 'Move...' popup. You spend most of your time looking at things nice and large, subconsciously getting to know the structure of your projects, and then when you want to move this to there, you can't just point there, no - you have to pull up a little map and indicate on that where you want this to go. Takes me a moment or two to get my bearings on the map, because it doesn't look like my project list.

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Originally Posted by whpalmer4 View Post
There are similarities, sure, but I don't believe that the gestural stuff is necessarily wrong if it isn't identical.
One doesn't expect it to be identical, but it should only be different if there's an advantage to it.

Example: Entering a list of actions on the Mac just requires you to hit Return after each one. There's a Return key on my iPad keyboard, too, but instead I have to hunt down that tiny "Done" button, and then choose and tap on a "New Item" button before I can start typing again. You made me take my hands off the keyboard! Why?! It's double, triple the hassle, when the Return key is Right There Dagnammit.

Sorry, don't wanna sound rude. It's only cos I love Omni and have become addicted to OF that I care this much... Non-life-changing software doesn't get me riled up in the same way.