[Forrest]

I did read what he said later. I was mainly pointing out that there were comments each way, and no solid evidence being provided either way.

[philonous]

Originally Posted by 120

[Forrest:]
Anyway, I used SP 17 on 10.4.7, and I use beta 1 on 10.4.7; and beta 1 is as slow as 5.1.3 while SP 17 was a lot faster. But maybe that's a problem of my configuration. Or maybe you guys have too fast Macs to experience the difference.

Forrest, is your processor any slower than the one I have listed in my sig?

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[Forrest]

it's not .

[philonous]

Originally Posted by Forrest

it's not .

Well, I hope it's not a psychological effect, but after reading this thread, I am noticing a drop in speed with beta 1. Hmmmm....

Well, it's not as slow as 5.1.3, I think. I was just testing side by side with Firefox, and OW was slightly slower with pages like the New York Times and the BBC.

Then I started testing against Safari, and, at least with the BBC pages, Safari absolutely blows OW away in rendering speed.

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[Forrest]

IMHO, the issue that javascript can start up timed events and they never stop if you close the window may play a large part in these slowdowns. I've been having similar issues through all the SPs and I was slowly able to determine that the culprit was specific pages.

And that can be extremely tricky to diagnose. People can say "I was surfing a forum I always surf so it's an issue with this SP" when really they clicked on a link, even if closing a window five seconds later, and two hours after that the symptoms start becoming apparent.

Throw in auto-saving workspaces to the mix and you've got an issue that will repeat itself even after the browser is restarted. Somewhere, in some tab there's a site that's causing an issue. But now it seems it's just this SP's problem.

That's why I started in with asking how someone was able to know it wasn't a WebKit issue. The data cited was completely subjective.

And I don't mean to pick on anyone. I know I've done and continue to form bad logic based around my lack of understanding on how OW is built. I don't write programs, but I do write applications. What serves the best here, is to provide specific details around the problem rather than subjective interpretations on what's going on.

[philonous]

Not everyone will have your intuition. It's nice to have the intended audience test the product, but, I suppose, there are drawbacks if the intended audience are not computer experts.

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[120]

It would be great if I could use SP 17 again; then I could capture the speed difference in a movie, and you would be able to see what I'm talking about.

By the way (this is really off topic, sorry): Do you know if there's a possibility to download iCal 2 somewhere? I've deleted it by mistake.

[philonous]

Originally Posted by 120

It would be great if I could use SP 17 again; then I could capture the speed difference in a movie, and you would be able to see what I'm talking about.

By the way (this is really off topic, sorry): Do you know if there's a possibility to download iCal 2 somewhere? I've deleted it by mistake.

You can try this: go to /Library/Receipts and delete all receipts for iCal. Then, run Software Update.

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[120]

Beta 3 brought back the scrolling speed of SP 17! It's great!