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Doggone-it… so many crappy things about stuff that's disabled in context mode. And so many ugly things about project mode and not being able to hide things :-(
 
You can duplicate a task in context mode, but it requires a work-around. If you option-drag a task to the same, or another, context in the Sidebar, the task will be duplicated. I've never understood myself why the Duplicate command doesn't work.
 
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Originally Posted by Greg Jones View Post
You can duplicate a task in context mode, but it requires a work-around. If you option-drag a task to the same, or another, context in the Sidebar, the task will be duplicated. I've never understood myself why the Duplicate command doesn't work.
Thanks for the tip!

I sorta figure duplicate doesn't work for the same reason sorting doesn't work :-/

I'm sure Rob Trew has a script which will do this (basically, a check-in which generates a follow-up task in 1-2 week's time) but I'm not loaded with scripts and it sure would be easy and fast for me to just do this manually.

There just so much UI friction in OmniFocus sometimes. And don't get me started on the split view in a task on the iPhone, or I might never get stopped. Functionality is great, scalability is great, UI and usability are poor :-(
 
This has come up before. It'll probably come up again.

If you duplicate (or create) a task in project mode, you can immediately see where it went and put it where you want it. Not so in context mode. Maybe you always want your duplicate task tucked in right behind the original, but I can't think of the last time where that was what I wanted to do with a duplicate. If you're in a restrictive view (next or available actions only in a sequential project, for example) the newly created action might not even appear (it doesn't in project mode). If you are going to modify the duplicate (changing the context, for example), it may get whisked off elsewhere in the display unless you are using a combination of view settings that makes context mode look similar to project mode. Given all of that, and the ease of right-click Focus in New Window where you can see what you are doing and don't have to disturb the current view, color me unconvinced that there's a far better way to do this. One might take the absence of the ability to paste into a context view in OmniFocus for iPad as an indication that they aren't actively moving to change this, either.

Sounds like you might want something like Curt Clifton's Complete and Await Reply script if you are doing this frequently.
 
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Originally Posted by whpalmer4 View Post
If you duplicate (or create) a task in project mode, you can immediately see where it went and put it where you want it. Not so in context mode. Maybe you always want your duplicate task tucked in right behind the original... If you're in a restrictive view (next or available actions only in a sequential project, for example) the newly created action might not even appear (it doesn't in project mode). If you are going to modify the duplicate (changing the context, for example), it may get whisked off elsewhere in the display unless you are using a combination of view settings that makes context mode look similar to project mode. Given all of that, and the ease of right-click Focus in New Window where you can see what you are doing and don't have to disturb the current view,
whpalmer4 you know OmniFocus much better than I do, so thanks for your explanations and helping explain why something shouldn't work. For me it is always helpful to understand the logic of why a requested feature might be bad for the way a program works.

I need help in understanding why an action would get whisked away if you duplicate it and you are still in the same view you were currently seeing the action. Wouldn't it have all the same values and still be visible?

Maybe there is a better way then duplicating an action for for what I need it for.

I am really just trying to duplicate an action that has a weekly or monthly repeating value and get back to it in a few days later. I don't want to just change the start day because when I complete the action, in the following week it will show up on the day I forwarded it to. I don't want to leave the original start date and keep seeing it the next few days as an available or next action and have to remind myself that I can't do that today.

So after duplicating the action I forward it and take off the repeat value, then mark the original repeating action as done (so it shows up on the same day next week) and then delete it (since it really wasn't done that day).

It would be nice to applescript all of those things in one step but the duplicating part has me the most hung up.

Is there no way for a script to check it's own context and project and then duplicate like "Delegated" or "Complete and Await Reply" does?

Last edited by skillet; 2011-09-14 at 10:15 AM..
 
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Originally Posted by skillet View Post
...I don't want to leave the original start date and keep seeing it the next few days as an available or next action and have to remind myself that I can't do that today.

So after duplicating the action I forward it and take off the repeat value, then mark the original repeating action as done (so it shows up on the same day next week) and then delete it (since it really wasn't done that day). ...
At the risk of sounding as if I am saying that you are doing this wrong (which is not what I mean) ... perhaps you are approaching your problem the wrong way. In a nutshell, it seems to me that you are playing games in OF to hide the fact that you do not want to do or cannot yet do a certain task on a certain list. Maybe instead, you should be deciding on one "action right now" list that you to reference when you really are doing actions. From that point, all other lists (perspectives, views ... whatever) exist only for reviewing projects/groups/actions/contexts ... where you purposely choose actions to move to your "action right now" list. Then, you should find a respectable way to keep your repeating actions off your "action right now" list until you really are ready to do it.

I think flagging is the most mentioned method for setting up an equivalent of an "action right now" list.

Just sharing what seems to be a tangential thought process that I had as I considered how to stop playing within OF to shift around my work loads and instead use OF to stay on top of what I am doing. Otherwise, I would imagine an AppleScript can be found or made to move tasks around as you want.

HTH

--
JJW
 
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I need help in understanding why an action would get whisked away if you duplicate it and you are still in the same view you were currently seeing the action. Wouldn't it have all the same values and still be visible?
I mentioned the whisking away would happen after you modified the duplicate (setting a new due or start date, for example, when grouping or sorting by same).
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I am really just trying to duplicate an action that has a weekly or monthly repeating value and get back to it in a few days later. I don't want to just change the start day because when I complete the action, in the following week it will show up on the day I forwarded it to. I don't want to leave the original start date and keep seeing it the next few days as an available or next action and have to remind myself that I can't do that today.
Okay, you've got a repeating task with a regular schedule, but this time around the schedule needs to be different. I just leave it as scheduled and mark it off when it gets done; my start and due perspectives (and forecast view on iPhone/iPad for due items) show me the things haven't been done on schedule, so they aren't immediately out of sight and out of mind. I have a look back at the start of the day and try to knock off any leftover items I can before turning to the new day's items, and when I exhaust the day's list or get near the end of the day, I'll look back again. Doing my project reviews also helps provide a safety net.

That said, I think it wouldn't be too hard to make a script that marked the item as complete (so the next one would be generated), then changed the original to be incomplete and non-repeating. But what do we do about the date? Does the script prompt for the new date, or just assign one, or leave that to the user? I'll give you three guesses as to which option is easiest to code :-)

If you were to create such a script, it might look something like this:

Code:
-- Reschedule Repeating Task

-- Solves issue of a repeating task that needs the current instance rescheduled without
-- disturbing the scheduling of future instances.  Current instance is marked complete to
-- generate the next instance, then set not to repeat and optionally rescheduled.

-- if pOffertoReschedule is true, prompt user for rescheduling, otherwise leave dates unmolested
property pOffertoReschedule : true

on run
	tell application "OmniFocus"
		tell front document
			tell document window 1
				set oTrees to selected trees of content
				set lngTrees to count of oTrees
				if (lngTrees > 0) then
					if (lngTrees = 1) then
						set oTask to value of (first item of oTrees)
						if (repetition of oTask is not missing value) then
							my RescheduleRepeatingTask(oTask)
						else
							display alert quote & name of oTask & quote & " is not a repeating task, ignoring"
						end if
					else
						display alert "Select only one row!"
					end if
				else
					display alert "No content selected!"
				end if
			end tell
		end tell
	end tell
end run

on RescheduleRepeatingTask(oTask)
	using terms from application "OmniFocus"
		
		set completed of oTask to true -- cause OmniFocus to duplicate task
		set repetition of oTask to missing value -- clear repeat
		set canReschedule to false
		if (pOffertoReschedule is true) then
			display dialog "Reschedule by how many days?" buttons {"Cancel", "OK"} ¬
				default button 2 default answer "1"
			set rescheduleDays to (text returned of the result) as integer
			
			-- attempt to move start and due dates back by rescheduleDays
			try
				tell oTask to set {theStartDate, theDueDate} to {start date, due date}
				set {newStartDate, newDueDate} to {theStartDate, theDueDate}
				
				if (theDueDate is not missing value) then
					set newDueDate to (theDueDate + (days * rescheduleDays))
					set canReschedule to true
				end if
				if (theStartDate is not missing value) then
					set newStartDate to (theStartDate + (days * rescheduleDays))
					set canReschedule to true
				end if
				if (canReschedule) then
					tell oTask to set {start date, due date} to {newStartDate, newDueDate}
				else
					display alert "No start or due date for existing task, duplicated but not rescheduled"
				end if
			on error
				display alert "Failed to reschedule existing task"
			end try
		end if
		
		set completed of oTask to false -- reactivate original task
		
	end using terms from
end RescheduleRepeatingTask
 
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Originally Posted by whpalmer4 View Post
This has come up before. It'll probably come up again.

If you duplicate (or create) a task in project mode, you can immediately see where it went and put it where you want it. Not so in context mode. Maybe you always want your duplicate task tucked in right behind the original, but I can't think of the last time where that was what I wanted to do with a duplicate.
I'm sorry, I think this is stupid behavior. 90% of the time, I do want the duplicate right behind the original because I'm dealing with a simple project. One could always change it in project view if necessary.
 
Send feedback to Omni. If enough other people express that opinion, they'll consider changing it, though part of the calculus will undoubtedly be to look at whether the proposed change will make it more or less likely that they'll get support contacts from confused users. The current behavior inconveniences some, but doesn't generate frustrated users reporting "I tried Duplicate but nothing shows up!" My guess is that the count of people who have actually complained about this implementation decision is pretty small, relatively speaking.

Or you could use AppleScript to implement something that would do the Duplicate operation despite being in Context mode. Such a script might look something like this:

Code:
tell application "OmniFocus"
	tell first document window of front document
		set selTrees to selected trees of content
		repeat with i from 1 to count of items of selTrees
			try
				set targetItem to value of item i of selTrees
				set newItem to duplicate targetItem to after targetItem
			on error
				display alert "Time to learn some AppleScript!"
			end try
		end repeat
	end tell
end tell
It would suffer from the same problems, such as duplicated items not appearing next to the original (if grouping by Added, for example) or at all (if duplicating a sequential action in a Next Action view).
 
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I'm sorry, I think this is stupid behavior. 90% of the time, I do want the duplicate right behind the original because I'm dealing with a simple project. One could always change it in project view if necessary.
That frustrated me to, try this script and see if it work the way you like. You can turn on in the script if you want flags to be turned off on the duplicate.

Whpalmer4 (one of my OmniFocus script hero's) the script you posted duplicates the first selected action the amount of actions you have selected.
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