[wordsandwords]

There is no longer a Save As version in my Omnigraffle Pro. Is this intentional?

[Brian]

Sorry for the trouble!

Hmmm... I just grabbed a fresh copy of version 5.2.3 from the website and installed it; I'm still seeing a Save As... menu item. What version do you have installed, and what version of the OS is installed on your Mac?

[Brian]

Just had a thought - do other applications on your system have a Save As item? (TextEdit, for example.)

[allen]

This is not a good answer. The decision to remove "Save As..." is arbitrary, and unintuitive. Why should I have to visit a forum to figure out how to use tools all over again? Safari 5.1 has a "Save As..." menu. BBEdit 10 retains "Save As...". There may be some conceptually elegant reason for eliminating "Save As...", but it doesn't make my work any easier.

[arkmannj]

count me as one of the people that would like to see "save as" returned. using duplicate and "versions" feels clunky and just confuses a well established, understood and simple paradigm.

[Brian]

Keep in mind that this is a system-wide change in Lion, and we adopted the change at Apple's recommendation. Preview, TextEdit, and all the iWork apps do this now, as well as apps from other third party developers that are sticking close to Apple's guidelines. (It sounds like Safari hasn't adopted this change yet, but most of the other apps from Apple have, in other words.)

If time shows that the new method is actually a step backwards, Apple will address that. In the meantime, different applications behaving in a consistent manner is one of the things that makes the Mac platform easier to use than other OSes. That's an important feature, and not one I think we want to give up lightly.

[susandale]

Originally Posted by allen

This is not a good answer. The decision to remove "Save As..." is arbitrary, and unintuitive. Why should I have to visit a forum to figure out how to use tools all over again? Safari 5.1 has a "Save As..." menu. BBEdit 10 retains "Save As...". There may be some conceptually elegant reason for eliminating "Save As...", but it doesn't make my work any easier.

This is not a useful workflow. It is typical to use a previous diagram as the template for a new/altered version. "Save As" is used to generate that new diagram and name it in one move.

Totally agree with Kaitain. This is new behavior and it is not intuitive.

[jyoung2k]

I believe this is new with Lion. You save files as versions now.

There is still a wary to save as - use the open duplicate function then choose to save it and you'll be propelled for a new file name..

now if I could just find out how to actually view the versions once they are saved to compare I'd be all set.

[Ken Case]

Originally Posted by wordsandwords

There is no longer a Save As version in my Omnigraffle Pro. Is this intentional?

The simple answer is that we did nothing to remove "Save As": our menu definition still includes an entry for "Save As", and we have no code that removes or disables that menu item. (You can even see it still sitting in the menu if you launch OmniGraffle and check the File menu before any documents are opened.)

So if we didn't remove it, where did it go? Apparently Lion automatically replaces "Save As" with "Duplicate" for apps like OmniGraffle which include support for Lion's new Auto Save and Versions. (In other words, we didn't remove it at all; Apple did.)

It's possible that we could find some way to override Lion's menu update to somehow get back the old "Save As" functionality, but we'd prefer to cooperate with the operating system rather than to fight with it. So if this change on Lion makes your workflow less efficient, I'd encourage you to send that feedback to Apple:

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html

Thanks for your question! Sorry I didn't see it sooner.

[susandale]

Save as disappeared when I upgraded to Lion on my Mac. I understand there is a workaround, but it's not pretty and it's not the way I work. I want Omnigraffle to conform to the conventions of most other programs by providing both a save and save as function for quick saves or new version saves.

Will you do it?