[coconino]

I'm a fan of OO on iPad, but I also recognise the limitations you describe and hope that they’ll be addressed, particularly the keyboard navigation, which I would guess (hope) to be fairly straightforward to implement. It might be a small thing which makes a big difference. I don't find the edit>select>move sequence too troublesome, but YMMV.

Originally Posted by coconino

I also recognise the limitations you describe and hope that they’ll be addressed, particularly the keyboard navigation

That would certainly be good – the OO outline + column model is more or less unique.

Another iPad OO glitch is that outlines copied from it to the clipboard are ill-adapted for pasting directly as iThoughtsHD mindmap diagrams - each node is preceded by a redundant hyphen and space which clutters the diagram text.

From any MarkDown editor I can just copy and paste a clean tab-indented outline. From Editorial for iPad I can automatically capture any Markdown outline (any combination of hash headers and indented lists) to a plain tab-indented form in the clipboard, and thence directly paste to an iThoughtsHD diagram.

The OmniOutliner clipboard output is not uncleanable, but I have to run it through a Pythonista script to do that, which is really more trouble (or less productive) than it's worth.

[DerekM]

Keyboard navigation or any custom shortcuts are just not possible with the current iOS. We would have gladly added it if it was possible.

Originally Posted by DerekM

Keyboard navigation or any custom shortcuts are just not possible with the current iOS. We would have gladly added it if it was possible.

I guess you probably mean custom keyboard shortcuts ?

(Editorial for iPad, for example, allows you to assign shortcut buttons to a bar across the top of the screen – the shortcuts are built from macro actions, and/or defined in Python)

(it also enables us to use up and down arrow keys to move from line to line)

[DerekM]

Yes, sorry :) We can do whatever we want on screen!*

[coconino]

Originally Posted by DerekM

Keyboard navigation or any custom shortcuts are just not possible with the current iOS. We would have gladly added it if it was possible.

Now you mention it, the only app I use regularly which uses any kind of keyboard navigation outside text fields is Apple's Numbers. I’ve read that using the built-in Voiceover feature provides keyboard navigation but at the expense of completely changing the method of touch navigation. I've only tried it briefly, enough to realise that it requires a bit more learning time than I have at the mo.

[owf]

Agree totally and unreservedly with RobTrew on this one.

I bought OO for iPad expecting to get a great tool for rapidly putting down my thoughts, but it's the polar opposite. Powerful, but slow and cumbersome to use, especially the comedy file browser.

Editorial exemplifies the kind of attention to detail and inspired design that I'd expect to find in a $30 app, not least one from Omni.

Heck, it's actually faster to just get stuck in with iThoughts than start with OO: you can dictate into iThoughts with Siri and it will split the dictation into nodes based on when you say, "comma", e.g. if you say, "beans comma eggs comma beer comma pies", you get:

• beans
• eggs
• beer
• pies

Why doesn't OO have these kind of cool and immensely useful features?