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I have also used MORE for my professional work as a writer (I came to it after it had been discontinued) and its cloning capability gives me a fantastic tool for planning my novels. I still have a copy of it and while I like OmniOutliner (and also own OmniPlan), I agree with the posters who indicate that cloning is a very powerful feature that a much broader audience might embrace.

The original question was how do we use cloning, and even with OO4 not including it, I thought I would still offer my answer.
When I outline a novel, scene by scene, cloning lets me have both a linear outline of how the scenes are presented in the book but also lets me clone those scenes that belong to certain story threads or subplots and keep those scenes in their own order. That lets me be sure that the character and plot developments are moving at an appropriate pace. Scrivener has started offering collections, which are like smart folders for this, but it's not quite the same to me. A set of search results and a set of notes that I have placed right where I need them are not the same thing.

And before MORE, I never knew about cloning. It was other, older authors who told me about it. It felt slightly odd to embrace a dead software product to help me make my living but it worked exactly as I needed it to, and I didn't know about the power of cloning in organizing my work because it wasn't an option with any other product.

Thanks for listening!
I can only agree that cloning/aliasing is a much-needed feature.

Here's an example: you're in the legal profession, and are outlining some deposition questions for a common case amongst several witnesses. Some of the questions will be asked of each witness. Others will be unique to the various witnesses. A perfect use of aliasing/cloning.

I understand the difficulty in getting it to work with custom column types. My suggestion would be to handle that later. Get it working without it first.
Hopefully all the examples here of how powerful a tool cloning is means we will see it in v4. After all cloning has been requested since v1 beta. Will there even be a v4? Or is all engineering now aimed at mobile?

Note that I understand resources being shifted to mobile development - but including for mobile cloning is hella more value add than elaborate formatting like columns.

Note also that (as previously stated) cloning does not need to comply with all OO column formatting choices. Just to take the format of the closest non-columnar outine level above would be fine for most usages like writing specifications, task lists, deposition questions, report generation, etc.

I for one could totally do without all kinds of features to just get cloning because without cloning OO's utility to me is very limited.


Last edited by Allen Wicks; 2011-10-06 at 10:00 AM.. Reason: addendum
Very much yes on cloning

You did not ask but tabs would be very very useful. Tabs like Safari, at the top
I've come to rely on clones so extensively using Leo (outliner) that I find Omni Outliner of limited utility until it's implemented
Potential OO customer who is looking for this feature in an Outliner. Hoping to see it in OO in the not too distant future!
Originally Posted by Ken Case View Post
I posted this comment as a followup to my blog post, but thought it might also be of interest to people reading this threadů
And here we are, over 2 years later, with still no shipping OmniOutliner 4... :-(

Last edited by Brian; 2012-05-14 at 03:43 PM.. Reason: Reduce quantity of quoted material for increased readability.
as may other said.. cloning is a key feature to structure (non linear) complex data in an outliner... this and a proper spread-sheet like filtering of columns would make like much easier..
Without having read the entire thread of 4 years, I would like to vote as well for "cloning" in some format to come to OO. I'm an old MORE user as well, and for standard questions, special layouts of the data that are all part of one document (then hoisted and printed or saved separately)--it's indispensable.

Although you feel that you've only had a few hundred requests out of thousands of users, it's one of those features that you didn't realize you needed until you tried it. Also, please keep in mind that the folks who frequent (or not as frequent, in my case) these fora are your hard core users who know where to go to ask, and can be seen to represent many others who don't come here to ask. I'd say 1 to 10; each one of us at least represents 10 others who haven't' posted.

I say, cloning (or some derivative of the ideas shared here) in OO4! ;->
Originally Posted by FJHeumann View Post
Also, please keep in mind that the folks who frequent (or not as frequent, in my case) these fora are your hard core users who know where to go to ask
Actually, the users who know where to go to ask know to send email to (or use Help->Send Feedback), not post on the forum!

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