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Originally Posted by Greg Jones View Post
Same here-big mistake. I'm going to wait to see if a 4.01 update improves things. If not, I'm going to roll back to 3.x or just get a new phone.
I know, I know, I'm ranting Greg, but I really am p***d off with crApple's control freakery over the iPhone.

Roll back to 3.x? How? That'll take a jail-break, won't it? Get a new phone? Sure, I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford that. Oh, when will they be available? Certainly not any time soon. In the UK we're probably looking at the end of August for supplies. That's if there isn't a massive recall over the antenna and blue-tooth fiascos.

I would seriously consider abandoning the iPhone except for a couple of Apps, OmniFocus being the main one, that I'd now find it difficult to live without. I've been buying Apple computers for almost 30 years now, and I don't think I ever felt less than evangelical about them until the release of the iPhone and it's surrounding issues, ie. the stranglehold of the App store and the lock-out of developers to parts of iOS, etc.

OK, I'll shut up. I gotta go anyway and chew some carpet. Cheers mate, for taking the time out to respond, I appreciate it.

Last edited by endoftheQ; 2010-07-14 at 04:08 AM..
 
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Roll back to 3.x? How? That'll take a jail-break, won't it?
I've see several articles on doing this with a 3G, of which this one on LifeHacker looks very comprehensive. It looks like 3GS users need to use a different procedure, but then they should not be seeing the same slowdown issues as what there is on a 3G anyway.
 
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Originally Posted by Greg Jones View Post
I've see several articles on doing this with a 3G, of which this one on LifeHacker looks very comprehensive. It looks like 3GS users need to use a different procedure, but then they should not be seeing the same slowdown issues as what there is on a 3G anyway.
Mr. Jones, that's awesome! Thank you! I was under the misapprehension from some other posts that I'd have to wait until the iOS4 jailbreak was ready. I'll be following LifeHacker's procedure this evening. I'll let you know if it bricks. LOL.

I don't know about you, but in return for folders (nice, but not that important to me) and aggregated mail (fantastic, but I can live without) I got an iPhone that requires a thrice-daily reboot and is even then, for most intents and purposes, unusable.

Now if you have a sec., please sort out Apple's stranglehold over the selling of Apps.

Thanks again.
 
Thrice-daily reboot? Really? Nope. Not here. My iPhone 3GS running iOS4 is working just fine.
 
That's coz you're the MAN, ifonline. You have an iPhone 3G'S'. Trust me. If you'd upgraded an iPhone 3G (no 'S') to iOS4, you'd be stark, staring, ranting too.... !

ADDED LATER: My sincere apologies, ifonline, no insult intended, I'm guessing you didn't see the original posts on the OmniFocus for iPhone Board.

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Sorry Brian, didn't mean to start ranting off topic It's just that crApple's control freakery has put them at the top of my s**t-list this month. I installed iOS4 on my 3g, 'nuf said... !
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Originally Posted by Greg Jones View Post
Same here-big mistake. I'm going to wait to see if a 4.01 update improves things. If not, I'm going to roll back to 3.x or just get a new phone.

Last edited by endoftheQ; 2010-07-15 at 02:56 AM.. Reason: I realised ifonline probably hadn't seen the original thread.
 
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Originally Posted by Greg Jones View Post
I've see several articles on doing this with a 3G, of which this one on LifeHacker looks very comprehensive. It looks like 3GS users need to use a different procedure, but then they should not be seeing the same slowdown issues as what there is on a 3G anyway.
Greg, just to let you know, the LifeHacker solution worked brilliantly!
 
OK, more ranting.

In the last few weeks:

I downloaded iOS4 that rendered my iPhone 3g unusable.

I've had an App deleted without warning and without my permission. On asking for a refund, I'm told to contact the developer.

An App took money out of my iTunes account without warning me (via in-App purchase). I've been told to contact my credit card company for a chargeback.

Oh, and since I've had my iPhone and iPad, I'm not permitted to purchase Apps from anyone else, 'allowed' Flash, etc. etc. Why? 'coz Apple says so!

I know that I really should be venting on an i-hate-apple board somewhere, but there are a lot of Omni users who, like me, have been long-time loyal fans of everything Mac and I respect their opinions (even if I sometimes don't agree) over those whose previous Apple experience is confined to owning an iPod Shuffle.

It comes down to this, after serious consideration, OmniFocus is the only reason I don't feel able to junk my iPhone. If it were available via the web, on Android, or could be sync'd by another client, I would do so in a flash (no pun intended!).

Is there something I'm not 'getting' or am I being 'unreasonable'? I would genuinely be interested in other Member's thoughts.

Last edited by endoftheQ; 2010-07-16 at 03:33 AM..
 
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I downloaded iOS4 that rendered my iPhone 3g unusable.
That is most unfortunate, but weren't you able to roll back to 3.1.3? I've been holding off on upgrading my 2G iPod Touch due to the stories I've been hearing, and the lack of a "must-have" feature to make it worth the risk. I'm more willing to jump into things like Omni sneaky peeks where I don't have to worry about not being able to go back if I don't like it!

But as I'm going to do throughout this post, let's consider what the alternative might be in a different ecosystem, and see if it is better, not just different. My understanding is that many of the Android phones sold thus far cannot be upgraded to more recent versions of Android because someone in the food chain doesn't want to play along (not having an Android phone, the need to retain the details in my aging memory was deemed insufficient). Given that Apple is supporting your hardware/software configuration, one might reasonably expect that your situation will improve, though perhaps not sufficiently.
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I've had an App deleted without warning and without my permission. On asking for a refund, I'm told to contact the developer.
Didn't Amazon do the same thing with some materials sold through the Kindle store?

What was the reason for the deletion, do you know? Is that something the developer can do on their own?

If an app bought for an Android device goes poof in the night, do you have any better recourse? I really don't know anything about other vendors' App stores.
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An App took money out of my iTunes account without warning me (via in-App purchase). I've been told to contact my credit card company for a chargeback.
Again, isn't that likely to be the case anywhere? I suppose it isn't a concern if the ecosystem in question doesn't allow in-App purchases! Frankly, though, I'm a lot more comfortable with giving an app the ability to spend money if there's a guy with a big stick (Apple) providing and policing the mechanism than I would be typing CC details into an app where there has been no screening. You know that Apple will flip the kill switch on an app that rips people off, but is there even such a mechanism for Droid apps in general?
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Oh, and since I've had my iPhone and iPad, I'm not permitted to purchase Apps from anyone else, 'allowed' Flash, etc. etc. Why? 'coz Apple says so!
You aren't allowed a built-in APL interpreter, either :-)

I haven't been able to do any of those things on my Nintendo Wii. I can't even back up my purchased media!

While it is true that Apple isn't allowing you to buy apps in a completely unrestricted market, and has chosen not to provide Flash, those restrictions apply only so long as you insist on running only Apple's preferred OS configuration. Microsoft insists that you have a crappy experience running their software on your PC, but the experience changes dramatically if you're willing to go to the trouble of installing Mac OS X or Linux or NetBSD or whatever floats your boat. So it is with the Apple hardware when you jailbreak or install Android. You just don't get to enjoy the benefits of the walled garden and live outside it simultaneously.

I guess for me, it all boils down to a bottom line of "build something I don't like, I won't buy it" and the flip side of that is that I don't have any right to demand that they build something I will buy, if the prospect of a sale to me isn't sufficient incentive. Apple isn't the only seller of phones that run apps, or music players, or laptop computers, or operating systems. While one might be justifiably upset that they refuse to provide Flash (because you think that their device is otherwise the best choice), for example, it's not like Steve woke up one day and said "that's it, hit the kill switch, no more Flash on the iPhone" this is not a case of bait and switch. The things you don't like are largely as they were when you made your purchase, right? Was anything materially misrepresented to you? I suppose if you bought an original iPhone thinking that there would never be an App store to tempt you into spending too much money on numerous bits of software fluff, you might have some justification for being upset :-)
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I know that I really should be venting on an i-hate-apple board somewhere, but there are a lot of Omni users who, like me, have been long-time loyal fans of everything Mac and I respect their opinions (even if I sometimes don't agree) over those whose previous Apple experience is confined to owning an iPod Shuffle.
Okay, you're unhappy, and your return period, if any, is over. What would make you happy now, and what would prevent future unhappiness?
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It comes down to this, after serious consideration, OmniFocus is the only reason I don't feel able to junk my iPhone. If it were available via the web, on Android, or could be sync'd by another client, I would do so in a flash (no pun intended!).
If you really want to switch phones but keep OmniFocus, picking up an iPod Touch would give you that freedom immediately. If you buy it used you don't even have to contribute to Apple's coffers. You could contribute to mine, instead :-)
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Is there something I'm not 'getting' or am I being 'unreasonable'? I would genuinely be interested in other Member's thoughts.
Nah, I think if you've carefully checked out the grass on the other side of the fence, and it really is greener and doesn't make your allergies flare up and doesn't harbor venomous snakes you should consider moving. Just make sure the wife agrees :-)
 
Hey whpalmer4,

I want to, and will (!), respond to your post in full. However, before I do that, I just wanted to say "thank-you", for reducing my blazing fury down to a manageable smouldering resentment with those pretty impressive, well thought out, reasoned arguments!
ps. I hate you.

Just so you know, I got a text first thing this morning from CarPhoneWarehouse informing me, phrased as if they were doing me a favour, that I could pick up my iPhone 4g tomorrow... and I felt ****** + **** + ******* +******* + **** because I knew immediately I was going to knuckle under and go lock myself into another two years of feeling that I'm paying Apple to treat me like a kid.

OK, I'm surrendering, so again "thank-you" for reducing the pain. I sincerely appreciate the time-and-effort you went to in responding.

Last edited by endoftheQ; 2010-07-16 at 09:52 AM..
 
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Hey whpalmer4,
ps. I hate you.
Glad I wasn't drinking at the time I read that :-)

I just couldn't live with myself knowing that if I let you make the switch without careful consideration, 6 months from now you might be waking up every morning, looking at your OmniFocus-less phone, and thinking to yourself, "dammit, Bill was right" :-)
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another two years of feeling that I'm paying Apple to treat me like a kid.
Hey, everyone is going to treat you like a kid, right? Apple's just trying to make sure you don't hang out with the wrong kids, the other parents don't even care what happens to you. Didn't you see the big slide from the iPhone 4 press conference today? "We love our users" :-)
 
 


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